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Monday, June 23, 2008
Posted by: Fred Thompson at 12:09 PM

As I pointed out last week, and as legal scholar John Yoo did earlier this week in the Wall Street Journal, the “Boumediene Five” have done our nation and our Constitution no great service. But beyond the rhetoric, we really need to understand the real world impact of this ruling on the war we are waging against our enemies.

In Boumediene v Bush, besides, for the first time in history conferring habeas corpus rights on alien enemies detained abroad by our military during a war, the Court struck down as inadequate what Chief Justice John Roberts called “the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded enemy combatants.” Consider the rights that our country provided to the enemy prisoners in question before Boumediene:

The right to hear the bases of the charges against them including a summary of any classified evidence.

The ability to challenge the bases of their detention before military tribunals modeled after Geneva Convention procedures. As Robert’s pointed out, some 38 detainees have been released as result of this process.

The right, before the tribunal, to testify, introduce evidence, including exculpatory evidence, call witnesses, cross examine the government witnesses and secure release if and when appropriate.

The right to the aid of a personal representative in arranging and presenting their cases before the tribunal.

The right to have the government search for and disclose to the detainee any evidence reasonably available to it tending to show that the detainee is not an enemy combatant.

The right to appeal an adverse decision from the tribunal to the Federal DC Circuit Court along with the right to employ counsel and secure release if entitled to it.

The right to petition the DC Circuit to remand a detainee’s case for new tribunal consideration if the petitioner comes up with newly discovered evidence.

The right to require the Department of Defense (DOD) to conduct a yearly review of the status of each prisoner including the right to have the Secretary of Defense review any new evidence that may become available relating to the enemy combatant status of a detainee.

As a part of that yearly review, the opportunity for the detainee to explain why he is no longer a threat to the United States, which could lead to his release.

The DC Circuit can order release of the prisoner, and the head of the DOD Administrative Review Boards can, at the recommendation of those panels, order release upon an appropriate showing.

Again, these are the rights terrorists and battlefield combatants had before Boumediene was decided. These provisions provide more process than any that has ever been afforded prisoners of war in history. They go substantially past the rights afforded by the Geneva Convention. These are the rights that the majority decided were insufficient — and the result?

Their decision granting them the right to habeas corpus relief in federal courts.

Look, this issue isn’t going to go away, so consider these things the next time you hear someone defend the Supreme Court’s majority opinion as an attempt at “basic fairness” and to help prevent an innocent sheepherder from being improperly detained:

First, the Court left total confusion and uncertainty as to what rights these habeas petitions will vindicate. What will be the nature of the review under these new habeas rights? Will the Court review the constitutionality of the detention hearing procedures? What will be the burden of proof in these new proceedings? Will they have a factual hearing in order to try to recreate the circumstances in the field at the time of the detainee’s apprehension?

The answer is no one knows. It will all be dumped into the laps of some federal district judge and his or her law clerks. These are unprecedented circumstances and there is no way to predict what some judge might see as his or her new mandate under the constitution.

Again, it will be a federal judge — not the President or the Congress or a military tribunal — who will decide the appropriate extent to which the detainee will have access to classified military information, as just one of the more troubling examples. In other words, the branch of our government least qualified to make determinations on national security and foreign policy will now do just that. One other thing is certain. Whatever comes out of this new habeas corpus mish mash will generate a new round of appeals and our avowed enemies will work their way deeper and deeper into our court system.

Second, the majority opinion throws into question whether the tens of thousands of detainees in Iraq and the more than 1000 in Afghanistan are now entitled to habeas. Is the Court going to extend habeas protection to all foreign detainees held in foreign territory over which the United States is not sovereign, but has de facto control? We could be looking at tens of thousands of military detainee habeas cases in federal court.

Third, the Court’s decision encourages al Qaeda to continue in violation of the Geneva Conventions. The Geneva Conventions are designed to protect civilians and to reward combatants with certain protections if they abide by the Conventions. Al Qaeda specifically targets civilians and wears no uniform to distinguish themselves from the civilian population. Our policy now is to give al Qaeda combatants privileges that exceed the Conventions in terms of access to our court system without requiring al Qaeda to abide by these conventions themselves. This, of course, is an incentive for them to violate the law of war. They receive no penalty for not doing so, and by not wearing uniforms, makes any standard of proof requirement with regard to enemy combatant status more difficult for the United States. We are literally giving the enemy the means by which they can do us great harm.

Unfortunately it is not uncommon for a majority of the Supreme Court to make new law based not upon precedent but upon policy preferences of members of the Court. But this time it’s part of a much bigger picture. It is about power, and who gets to exercise it in an area that is vital to the security of this nation. This time it’s not only wrong, it’s dangerous.

It should also be noted that Senator Obama thinks that the decision in Boumediene v Bush is an excellent one. I don’t know what’s worse: that he doesn’t understand what the Court has done … or that he actually does and still thinks this was a sound ruling. Good luck to all of us.



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Nathan writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:00 AM
Fred!
Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred!
ok sorry i had to get a lil spastic there now i'll read the article
Qat writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:12 AM
Citizens versus others
You succinctly point out that the Boumediene Five have given away the store. Will it even be possible to conduct a war against our enemies if all the soldiers who kill or capture an enemy must appear in court with the forensic evidence to justify their actions?

Terrorism is not simply a criminal act. It isn't even simply a battle. Terrorism is a fight to the death, and the warriors for terrorism wear no uniform. I remember that we thought we had a lot of trouble identifying the enemy in Viet Nam, because many of the enemies looked like ordinary citizens. It is worse today. Short of mind-reading, I don't know how we would pick terrorists out of any crowd. They are committed, they are persistent, and they are lethal. They are also smart. They will work the system in ways our criminal population hasn't even thought of.

I am terrified by the Boumediene Five. I hope they never get another good night's sleep as long as they live.
Angel98501 writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:13 AM
Fred
Thank you for your enthusiasm and energy Mr. Thompson! I wish you and your family the very best of everything in life, now and forever! I look forward to hearing more from you on Liberty and Economic Freedom! Though I disagree and think that a vote for McCain or Obama, is a vote for the status quo, and a wasted vote.
Jeany writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:14 AM
SUPREME COURT GONE NUTS!
SPARKLESTHECLOWN HERE: I JUST FINISHED A VIDEO ON THE SUPREME COURT NEUTERING OUR MILITARY! - WELL THAT IS WHAT I CALLED IT. IT IS ON YOUTUBE. I AGEE TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THIS MATTER. IT IS SO CRITICAL TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY THAT WE QUIT DILUTING OUR POWER TO CONTROL OUR NATION. IT IS JUST VERY SAD THAT THE LIBERALS DO NOT SEE THIS VITAL ISSUE! IT FRIGHTENS ME FOR OUR FUTURE:
JEANY IN COLORADO SPRINGS
Ed writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:19 AM
Progress in Iraq

Fred,
You must be smoking opium.
Progress ??? In what ? Refereeing a civil war ?
At what cost in lives and treasure?
No wonder you were never a serious primary candidate.
Ed
Nathan writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 10:28 AM
a scary decision
Liberals love to cite stare decisis (it's like their constitution) yet I see no precedent for this here. This is just another example of liberals making up the rules as they go along.
maggie  writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 11:26 AM
Great Article
But somehow I knew what you were going to write before I read it . Your common sense conservative veiw again makes more sense than the BS who hear from the MSM and read in my hometown rag. I hope the people will be so outraged by this that it will not be allowed to stand and I'm dissappointed that Bush did not speak out more harshly. Given he has but a few months left and sdome idiots want to bring about crazy charges just to impune his character and the legacy of his term.

Stand Strong Fred,I'm always listening and ready to hear your thoughts on the current issues of the day. Thanks.
HUMIN writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 12:15 PM
Activist Judges
Mr. Fred Thompson thank you so much for taking the time to blog with us here at Townhall. I also want to thank you for standing firm for the United States. I fear we are losing our nation to socialist whom are tearing our country down and apart.

I have a question for you. How would you suggest we go about removing activist judges from our courts?

I've started a grassroots movement to impeach activist judges. The blog I, with others have started this at is at:

http://humin.blogtownhall.com/

I would really like, no I need your input.
Sgt Relic writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 1:17 PM
A ridiculous decision
In my youth I served as a Marine in combat followed closely by a stint as a serving Police Officer. I feel that I have some expertise when I say that the two position are completely different. The only thing these two occupations have in common is periodic gunfire.

The notion that war is a police action, as suggested during the Korean War, is ludicrous. Treating these prisoners as if they robbed a 7-11 is beyond stupidity. Watering down our constitution is a danger to every American who seeks justice in our system. Justice is always replaced by tyranny. It was founding father George Mason who gave us the Bill of Rights and Virginia it's proud motto.... Sic Semper Tyrannis!
charlie writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 1:26 PM
war prisoners
Fred.. thank you for all the information. Now, I want to know when we are gonna hear someone jump on the word 'TREASON' regarding what the democrats are attempting to do. They ARE undermining the basics of the freedoms we have strived to accumulate.
Keep feeding us correct information, and we really do need smaller government.
thanks
andrews writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 2:03 PM
Missing the bigger issue
While I agree that the immediate harm done is in the establishment of judicial review over military detention, I think you are missing the bigger picture.

In invalidating Article III Section 2, the courts have removed themselves form any congressional oversight. Now, not only are they legislating from the bench, creating new fictitious rights, but the congress no longer has any power to exempt areas of the law from judicial review.

After this ruling the only check on absolute judicial tyranny is the ability of the president to nominate and the congress to certify judicial appointees.

The fact that the court reviewed this case at all is a bigger threat than the ruling itself. Even had they made the correct ruling, the review itself is the worst threat of all.

(Due to space constraints, I kept this rather short. I wrote about this earlier at http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/19/somehow_the_med ia_missed_this.thtml )

Have to add: I would have been a supporter Mr. Thompson, but you were already out of the race by the time MD voted.
John writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 5:03 PM
Fred for President
I'm seriously disappointed that this man is not running for President. I don't know if he writes his own columns or not, but whoever wrote it would get my vote.
Maddie writes: Saturday, June, 28, 2008 7:28 PM
SCOTUS
I think that if we've become such a nation of cowards that we are afraid to let people w/brown skin who've been scooped up illegally, then we probably are one of the Axis of Evil. Since when did this proud country become so afraid? When did we become such cowards? Simple question and I'm sure I'll be excoriated all over the place. However, I want to be proud of being an American. Not some one who cowers in the corner and is nothing more than a bully because "we"'ve got the money. Get a grip, people. We've let this country become a joke and a rogue nation.
turn writes: Sunday, June, 29, 2008 6:41 AM
Up to speed
1. I was a Fred supporter very early on. I was excited by the candidacy and deeply disappointed by his dropping out.
2. Screw the global war on terror. This is the Jihad War or the 4th World War depending on whether you believe it is just a war against Islamists or the alliance of a globalist Islamic/socialist mix.. They have made common cause against us.
3. Fourth column and fifth estate are proven to be traitorous. No nation deserves to survive that tolerates such.
4. The tyranny of the court can be reversed. It's been done before. We need replace but one judge.
5. There needs to be a clarity of understanding and an enmity of the words and phrases that propel misunderstanding. There is no such thing as 'social justice'--there is only justice--and justice is an established set based on precedent and common sense.
John  writes: Sunday, June, 29, 2008 7:14 AM
The time machine
I would like to inquire from all of you loyalist of liberty by order of decree, how you yourselves might realistically have any real and tangible influence, as to what these courts have decided. What dose representation mean to you, the right to render all the will of the people surrendered.

If my concern for this Nation was to rely upon that right judge, to be seated, this would mean that I am counting on their opinion of it, more then I am depending on my own Nations right to it.

It is upon these occasions of our own unreasoned submissions, that we have assured to ourselves, that nothing will be left for our own posterity unless it is made to be allowable under this extreme oligarchy of the courts.

The very worst future for our American people, is for them to have absolutely no say so, as to these things that are affecting their own families right of conscience, this is of the purest of indicators, that our people are now bound certain, to this non-alternative fate.
These are the very bindings of their cause, to forcibly habituate our people through absolute Judicial rule.
This is the future farming of our human conditions, by those who are requiring of no more then five of the own agreements, that they should have this random access to our own seed.

I myself have come to understand this kind of reasoning to mean that the future of my children is not as yet intended, unless these Supreme Court Judges have declared it.
Just because these unauthorized exclusives have propagated to you that this once revered document, that they are currently using to justify their own rulings, dose not work, this dose not mean that you at home should also try working with a tool you know is damn well defective.
I therefore reject this unrelenting and unforgiving premise that if these Gods have spoken, it must be so.
oaktree777 writes: Sunday, June, 29, 2008 11:24 AM
Are you nuts?
You quote from John Yoo, the traitor who conceived and legally ok'd torture - as anti-american as you can be!?! As far as activist judges are concerned...Anyone who follows the court knows that conservative judges are as activist as liberal judges
-- just for different causes. The conservative Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas are
actually more activist than their liberal colleagues. Lori Ringhand, a professor at the University of Kentucky College of Law, examined the voting records of the Supreme Court justices from 1994 to date. In the study, justices were considered to have voted in an activist way when they voted to overturn a federal statute, or one of the court's own precedents. The conservative justices were far more willing than the liberals to strike down federal laws -- clearly an
activist stance, since they were substituting their own judgment for that of the people's elected representatives in Congress. Justice Thomas voted to overturn federal laws in thirty-four cases, and Justice Scalia in thirty-one, compared with just fifteen for Justice Stephen Breyer. And by overturning the court's own precedents, the conservatives were far more activist. Justice Thomas voted to overturn precedent twenty-three times, and Justice Scalia nineteen times, while the court's four liberals each did so in ten cases or fewer.

Activism is neither good nor bad, neither right nor wrong. The Supreme Court is supposed to strike down laws that are unconstitutional or otherwise flawed. It is hypocritical for Republican presidential candidates to pretend that Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito are not activist, and turn to judicial activism into a partisan talking point, when the numbers show a very different story.
Mary writes: Sunday, June, 29, 2008 12:56 PM
Fred For Prez!
Fred, Sorry you dropped out of the race prematurely. We NEED you back! I purposely switched from the Constitutional Party to Republican so that I could vote for you in the Primaries. Alas, you dropped out too late for the Pennsylvania Primaries. This was the very first time that I Ever sent money in support of a candidate. You were the only candidate that I've ever been excited about as a President. I hate to have to hold my nose and vote for McCain. I won't vote for the CP candidate, as they are anti-Iraq War.

blessings to you and yours,

Mary
tom writes: Sunday, June, 29, 2008 12:57 PM
What?/?
You wrote about conservatism; where is the conservatism in this administration? They have set themselves up as untouchables; no doubt protected by big money, which flows both ways. Let me say this: "I want to thank the republican party for the last 8 years." " "They gave us their best; a brain damaged president, and a sociopath." Now the republican media is blaming the democrats for the last 8 years, and our bad economy?
I'm an independent; what I don't understand is why the middle class would be republicans? Their children go to war, and they are the ones that suffer in a ressession; which we always have under the republicans. Perhaps you can explain this honestly?
I know how Mr. McCain can beat Obama. But, what changes would there be from the court jesters policies?
Laurie writes: Wednesday, July, 16, 2008 12:17 AM
Thank God!
At least one branch of gov't in this benighted nation has stood for justice. I don't know what kind of meds Fred Thompson is on, but they must be pretty strong if he thinks he can con real conservatives with this appeal to "patriotism" against human decency. I used to actually think he was a good guy, too. I hope Thompson, Pelosi, and Bush get to learn first hand what the loss of habeas corrpus really means. God bless America.
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